im not going into the juggolo thing cuz honestly its a phase.
but taking that out and talking about the nazi shit
do you really understand how hypocritical you are???
you say this group is for people who support tolerance and acceptance so i assume you support that. but then you turn around and say you would punch a nazi in the face if you saw em walking down the street just cuz you saw em and you dont agree with him.
now let me ask you that....how is that tolerance? how is the acceptance?
well...its not
you know what that is??
is it right to beat the shit out of em just cuz you saw em? if there not bothering anyone and there not spreading there shit then who cares.
if they want to believe in something childish then let them be childish
it don't affect you or anyone eles if they have there own beliefs and standards.
it would be different if they were out preaching the shit
Well see when I said I would punch one of them in the face, I wasn't necessarily being literal, but I would certainly want to. I agree that people should be allowed to believe what they want to, but I feel like people are abusing the freedom that is sanctioned by America's constitution (which is often ignored and shat all over, not to mention other countries that offer freedom of speech and such rights) They take freedom too far and use it as protection for their bigotry and hate just like the KKK. I think people should be allowed their beliefs and practices until that encroaches on other peoples freedoms and others quality of life. People shouldn't have to worry about being persecuted, or even executed based on their beliefs or thier skin color, I know that goes both ways, but still. I think Nazi-ism shouldn't be allowed, and most Neo-Nazis out there would gladly terrorize jews, african americans and other people with hate and violence and I'm not about to let that happen in my country, I believe there's a lot wrong with America and a lot needs to be fixed hell I might just up and leave cause this whole place seems doomed, but I'll do all I can to fight for what I believe in and protect the rights of those who deserve them.
"tolerance, and non-hatred?"
all that juggaloes portray is hate and non-tolerance, and the last act of "tolerance, and non-hatred" I heard of was a group of juggaloes lynching three kids (all under ten) and spray painting hatchet-men on them. They called it a sacrifice. If you condone that, you yourself deserve to be lynched.
We cannot live our lives tolerating everything that people do, because just because they think it is right, does not make it right. Have a sense of fucken justice people, of right and wrong. I find any kind of racism, sexism, completely and utterly disgusting. How can you hate someone for who they are? The color of their skin? The shape of their face? How the fuck do you come about a belief system based on hatred? For as long as I have been alive, this shit has bothered me.
The first time I ever personally encountered racism was when i was ten, in Alabama, and my friend got the shit beat out of him for holding my hand. Fuck that.
haha i was readin tis nd i was tinkin tae meself, 'where'd they get the juggalo convo from' haha then i scrolled down
but aye i completely agree wit' teh jaggalo thing, it's a joke it's like a pop movement that claims to be rebelious and underground
yeah, like every good underground group, hot topic sells there supplies
i should write a song like mc lars "hot topic is not punk rock" only mine would be "hot topic is down with the clown", i mean in all reality, ideals and such aside, the whole "juggalo nation" is contradictory, it's just a catagory for lonely kids, crackheads and addicted scitzopaths to fall into for some false idea of "fam" or friends when they'd sell there best friend to see icp live
so aye in short i couldna agree more, kudos for puttin' it how it is eizik poop
or however ye spell it haha sorry
U cant say hate a group, then call your selves an anti hate group.....I would change the motto, to something more uplifting.... like, "all those that oppose hate"~~
this group shouldnt even have to exist... there shouldnt be a need for it! the human instinct to fear the unknown has been an enemy of punks since the begining. so it confuses me that there even is a group of punks that chose rasism (which is bourn of that same fear of the unknown)! i am pro-unity!
@Farrah: You bring up a constructive motto, though I don't agree with your premise that you can't hate a hate group.
Though thinking it through more, I can see that hate is often used as a scapegoat - it's popular to hate. Too many people jump onto the bandwagon just to hate something - it's one of the cards nazism plays folk for. Someone to blame to make themselves feel better - not a good or right motive for anything.
What should be remembered is reasoning, that what nazism promotes is hatred and putting down folk they make out as not the 'same' as them (ironic concept, as if anyone is the same when everyone is unique and a mix of things before!).
That's an underlying logic to not accept nazism or any similar reasoning that someone holds even if they are anti-nazi; because too often we let hatred go on without supportable reasoning behind it but just opinion.
As Tiller below pointed out, instinctive fears shouldn't be the driving force in decisions. IMHO, it should be reason, backed up with unbiased evidence that guides humans. Nazism never did that, but anti-nazism can, it's just important to support rational over irrational beliefs and do things with reasoning based on definite evidence.
...for everyones info....read carefully... you will find answers to some of your questions and strengthin' your beliefs. I wish you all luck on opposing what bothers you....Farrah
AntiFa: Scene-killers on a Rampage
When I first met self-proclaimed anti-fascist skinheads, I was only 12 years old and didn’t know much about the punk & skinhead scene yet. I went to a local area that had an all-ages club and a coffeehouse, both of which had punks and self-proclaimed SHARP skinheads frequenting it. From talking to people and picking up zines & flyers there, I learned about more other local places that had shows, and started getting involved in the local punk (leftist) scene, and along with it, Anti-Racist Action and SHARP.
I had been collecting ska, punk, and oi! records for awhile, and I figured this was a scene where I could go hear this type of music without the risk of the White Power guys from my school beating me up.
I was not trying to get involved with revolutionary politics, stinky hippies, or gangs.
However, this is exactly what I got involved with.
I noticed something was wrong when people calling themselves SHARPs and anti-racist punks were using terms like “Racist” and “Fascist” interchangeably when discussing people they didn’t like and had labeled as “boneheads”.
I also saw many people calling themselves both “SHARP” and “RASH” (Red & Anarchist SkinHeads), as if being against racism means you have to be a radical leftist. RASH, in my opinion has marred the worldwide image and future of SHARP forever by repeatedly linking extremist politics with a simple stance against racism.
Visit almost any antifa messageboard or live show and, you can find the term “anti-fascist” being used as interchangeable with the word “anti-racist”.
I am Conservative and clearly don’t support either of these systems of belief, but I know that Racism is an belief that different “races” of people supposedly exist and are somehow different enough for some to be “better” than others and that “Fascism” is a form of Government in which the State/Military and Corporations control nearly all aspects of public life. They also often lump in “Capitalism” as being part of “Fascism”, even though there is clearly no room for a free enterprise market in a Fascist state. They also find “destroying the audience-performer barrier” as part of fighting fascism, capitalism and racism, which of course only leads to more criminal violence at shows and worse and worse music, further killing the punk scene, and has no effect whatsoever on any supposed Racist, capitalist or Fascist movement.
An elementary schoolchild is taught the difference between Racism and Fascism and Capitalism, and the audience-performer barrier in music has nothing to with any of the three.
Somehow these people forgot all their history classes and believe in some myth that Benito Mussolini has something to do with Slavery or the KKK, and that some company with cheaply made mass-produced products (such as Nike or McDonalds) all are involved with it, and they often throw in the wild idea that Neo-Nazis are, on the majority, homosexual. Soon every gay skinhead was a potential Neo-Nazi, Nazi sympathizer or at least Nazi-fetishist to some of these people.
These people had no idea about most of what they were talking about and were actively indoctrinating (and beating on) youths to think this way as well. They were just as ignorant as these “boneheads”.
Soon, I realized this was not just some place that simply didn’t allow racial violence, but it was a network of old men (usually 30+) trying to have sex with underage girls, anarchist nutcases who want to blow up buildings, communist would-be dictators, homophobes, hard drug heads, and hypocrites who all had all the Skrewdriver records anyway, but would beat up a guy who wore the shirt.
These were People who wanted to censor Art & Music, Who thought they were better than the “boneheads”, but who couldn’t tell me the first thing about the Runes they labeled as “Racist symbols”. These “anti-fascists” were forcibly silencing people who they perceived to not agree with them, and influencing young kids to join up in politicized gangs, buying liquor for underage kids, and all sorts of other sordid behavior.
Communists and anarchists are heavily involved in the antifa movement, and they use terrorist spy -type phone trees to send alerts all over the city within minutes, such as where a certain “bonehead” was located, so they could jump him.
Most of the “boneheads” they beat on were just young confused kids who listened to death metal, or who like the way runes & skulls looked, and sometimes they have even beat up Gay Asatru followers just because of Runes. How this differs from anti-Semites beating on Jews because they don’t understand our religion is hard to define.
Antifa and Spain recently publicly took responsibility for a violent assault on the singer of the well-known punk band the Exploited, who have had gay members, and never recorded a racist or fascist song. They claimed a photo of the vocalist wherein someone else behind him had their arm raised in a Roman salute or “Seig Heil” pose as justification for this assault.
Becoming engulfed in this type of mentality causes these people to become paranoid, seeing a Nazi under every rock, a Fascist behind every tree, and a mortal enemy in anyone who does not agree with or support them.
I realized that I was not at all like any of these people, with their stupid drunken fights, shitty aesthetics, and horribly unstylish dress.
I was defiantly at odds with their whole scene-when I brought up publicly to some of their “organizers” that they were being more “fascist” than those who they labeled “fascist” , and that they didn’t fully even understand what Racism & Fascism were, and that the two don’t necessarily have anything to do with one another, they would change the topic to how I just didn’t understand.
I had many arguments with these people about their ridiculous ideals & tactics, and eventually, they labelled me as a “Fascist”, and have boycotted me and my projects ever since.
I think people should have the right to free speech, no matter how unpopular that speech may be. I do not, however, think people should be allowed to pressure underage children through social means and intoxicants into joining a political fight of any kind. Both Neo-Nazis and AntiFa do exactly this, with nearly identical methods.
If some guy is Proud to be German, why is he less entitled to that belief than someone who is proud to be Gay or Mexican? Either way neither did anything to gain their status, and if they aren’t killing anyone, who cares?
The antifa don’t agree. They do not believe in Freedom.
They believe the opposition to their way of thought MUST be silenced, and by any means necessary.
They actually spy on people’s houses & make threatening phone calls (I have even recieved some).
They use their girlfriends as street warriors to fight other women (anti-sexist, right?).
They intoxicate the youth with drugs and alcohol and influence them into violence.
They say they support the voice of “the people”, yet need to meet in secretive locales, often with passwords needed to enter, such as the back room behind the bookshelf in the Modern Bookstore on South Halsted Street. Yes, the communists actually go behind a bookshelf to a secret hall meet and will probably try to kill me for revealing this.
They make publications that list personal information such as home addresses and phone numbers, and work locations of “the opposition”.
They organize & fund other shady causes under other guises: i.e. money from an “Anti-Fascist Benefit” show may go to buy them some beer, or may actually go to buy supplies for making homemade firebombs, smashing up corporate property, or else legal defense for some Anarchist who is on video-tape hitting a cop with a brick from behind.
They claim to hate ‘Nazis’ and “sexists”, yet constantly work against the Jewish people and the state of Israel and against the rights of women through Islamic-support programs like “Voices in the Wildnerness” and “Solidarity with Hamas”, “Justice in Palestine” groups, etc.
They cannot be trusted, because they believe the individual must be crushed in the strive for the “equality” of the masses, and hurting individual people doesn’t matter in their “Grand Scheme”.
To liberally allow any random person to be publicly labeled a “Nazi” or a “Fascist” (two completely different political ideologies, btw), without much proof, by a prejudiced group with money and scene clout to gain by “smashing more Nazis”, can create a very dangerous reactionary atmosphere where almost anyone can point the finger and shout “Fascist!”, and get someone who they simply do not like for whatever reason, injured or even killed by an angry “well-intentioned” mob.
Yes, people get into fights sometimes, but, for me, skinhead was always about love for the music and the style as a working class way of life, never about political violence. Extreme politics in any culture will always cause divisions and in-fighting.
If the real Neo-Nazis created “antifa” to try to divide and destroy the growing multicultural and non-racist skinhead cult, they couldn’t have done a better job.
Every politically-motivated incident of “Skinhead” violence, be it racist or “anti-racist”, damages the profile of Skinhead culture even more, and the more politically extremist the scene becomes, the less young people will want to even consider being involved in it, and, sadly, it will eventually die.
Wow I didn't read a majority of that. But from what I can tell, the author isn't all that bright.
Claiming "HURR DURR I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH POLITICS" is the kind of statement that's killing our fucking world. God damn, I mean, she's even admitting she's only a part this entire "scene" to look cool, followed by admitting she's a conservative. A complete tool.
I stopped reading around here because I can already tell this is bullshit.
If you want to prove a point, please don't copy someones else's writing. Gather first hand experience and come back, then maybe I'll give a shit.
Hey Fuzzy...She was talking about when she was 12, she did not want to get involved with the "radical political" punks....They are very aggressive in statagy and propaganda of some very far fetched ideas, that are great for small communities, but not a nation as a whole!
And she did not say "because it is cool". she states because of the ideaology of the working class...as this is who she is.... In fact the facts that she does state about the elder men in some of these groups, do prey on young women and do feed drugs and booze to the kids, to keep them from growing their own ideas...
I first hand have expericenced all of the exploits of these type of groups... Thats why it is posted...So young women can have the information and be aware, and maybe gain self insight, ITS OKAY TO WALK AWAY AND NOT PARTICIPATE>
One more thing....I believe in getting to know all cultures and being color blind. But I do believe in the perservernce of cultures....The only way to do that is not to slowly kill a culture or race by breeding within their blood lines...Observe and perserve beauty...dont try and capture it...! Let live and live your self!
Another good example is the native american people of USA...Not to mention the New Zealand people...They were known for brutally killing the men that came on their shores to try and capture the women and children for a british invasion!
A 12 year old shouldn't be involved in affairs such as these to begin with.
I support some of those "radical" ideas you speak of. Please learn what you're talking about before you decide to run your mouth. All I see is a shitty opinion I've heard far too many times by people who haven't a clue what they're arguing about with a giant set of morals commanding them what to do.
She used one group to describe all of them and the ideas of punk culture CAME FROM THESE RADICAL IDEAS SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT. Stop repeating slogans and start thinking for yourself.
Also learn how to spell, you fucking tool. Even the high school drop out I am can come up with a more complete sentence than you.
all politics are based on morals to some degree. also the ideas of punk culture had nothing to do with political radicals. it didnt get like that till about the mid eighties. there was also a movement called oi which was based on working class attitudes mostly started by the skinheads into punk music. it started because these kids were tired of the trendy punk and the political punk.
even though i do understand the 'oi' working class whatever it is, the majority of punk music always has and always will contain radical politics. its not really hard to notice...
Whatever...you dont get it, and if dont that is cool...I just wanted to share my thoughts as well as the ones I posted...Your bashing me for doing so is really a show of your intelligence as well.
not really. plus it was all part of the fashion. thats right. i said it. punk started as a fashion! or rather an anti-fashion. and no. youre wrong punk music in its heydays of the late seventies early eighties wasnt political. it was bands like the clash and the sex pistols who brought politics into the punk scene.
Theres nothing wrong with a little hate. That's what you don't seem to get. the world isn't all happy sappy bullshit and sometimes, taking action IS the only way to get things done properly.
And that's precisely why it's fine for me to "bash" the living fuck out of you.
the anti-fashion is very political! its a social statement attempting to show visually the different opinions of the people. and the clash and the sex pistols arguably started the real punk movement.
social in no way means political. and youre right about the difference of opinions thing. thats why there are so many different types of punks. but all politicians are scum inherently. give someone power and they tend to abuse it.
i hate all type of nazi, fuckin wankers, i donno maybe its becouse im Polish and thats why im so pisst of at them, becouse of all the shit they did in Poland, they just make me wonna spit at them...
Very well put about the neo-nazi . Just ignore the little buster and he will go away soon enough .. Also wanna help out some guys trying to get their message heard? check out the band I am in.
Roofieo
im not going into the juggolo thing cuz honestly its a phase.
but taking that out and talking about the nazi shit
do you really understand how hypocritical you are???
you say this group is for people who support tolerance and acceptance so i assume you support that. but then you turn around and say you would punch a nazi in the face if you saw em walking down the street just cuz you saw em and you dont agree with him.
now let me ask you that....how is that tolerance? how is the acceptance?
well...its not
you know what that is??
fascism
Feb 21, 2010
crack rock steady
Feb 23, 2010
Roofieo
but
is it right to beat the shit out of em just cuz you saw em? if there not bothering anyone and there not spreading there shit then who cares.
if they want to believe in something childish then let them be childish
it don't affect you or anyone eles if they have there own beliefs and standards.
it would be different if they were out preaching the shit
but just for seeing em
you might as well be a nazi your self
Feb 23, 2010
Dead End Demon
Mar 3, 2010
sean harper
because i bet some o' us are anarchist's and even those who aren't, being against nazi's and facism, you're probably for self expression and freedom
Mar 11, 2010
Ezekielpoop
all that juggaloes portray is hate and non-tolerance, and the last act of "tolerance, and non-hatred" I heard of was a group of juggaloes lynching three kids (all under ten) and spray painting hatchet-men on them. They called it a sacrifice. If you condone that, you yourself deserve to be lynched.
We cannot live our lives tolerating everything that people do, because just because they think it is right, does not make it right. Have a sense of fucken justice people, of right and wrong. I find any kind of racism, sexism, completely and utterly disgusting. How can you hate someone for who they are? The color of their skin? The shape of their face? How the fuck do you come about a belief system based on hatred? For as long as I have been alive, this shit has bothered me.
The first time I ever personally encountered racism was when i was ten, in Alabama, and my friend got the shit beat out of him for holding my hand. Fuck that.
Mar 15, 2010
FuzzyCommie
and the fantastic thing about it is that they hate each other!
introduce them and let the groups beat the shit out of one another. EVERYBODY WINS!
Mar 15, 2010
sean harper
but aye i completely agree wit' teh jaggalo thing, it's a joke it's like a pop movement that claims to be rebelious and underground
yeah, like every good underground group, hot topic sells there supplies
i should write a song like mc lars "hot topic is not punk rock" only mine would be "hot topic is down with the clown", i mean in all reality, ideals and such aside, the whole "juggalo nation" is contradictory, it's just a catagory for lonely kids, crackheads and addicted scitzopaths to fall into for some false idea of "fam" or friends when they'd sell there best friend to see icp live
so aye in short i couldna agree more, kudos for puttin' it how it is eizik poop
or however ye spell it haha sorry
Mar 21, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 2, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 2, 2010
Stephen A.
Apr 2, 2010
FuzzyCommie
It's a completely different situation and anyone with common sense can see that.
I hate racists and they deserve physical retribution. To take it lightly as to choose a name slightly more uplifting is nitpicking bullshit.
Apr 2, 2010
tiller rausch
Apr 7, 2010
Felix
Apr 9, 2010
Kobalos
Though thinking it through more, I can see that hate is often used as a scapegoat - it's popular to hate. Too many people jump onto the bandwagon just to hate something - it's one of the cards nazism plays folk for. Someone to blame to make themselves feel better - not a good or right motive for anything.
What should be remembered is reasoning, that what nazism promotes is hatred and putting down folk they make out as not the 'same' as them (ironic concept, as if anyone is the same when everyone is unique and a mix of things before!).
That's an underlying logic to not accept nazism or any similar reasoning that someone holds even if they are anti-nazi; because too often we let hatred go on without supportable reasoning behind it but just opinion.
As Tiller below pointed out, instinctive fears shouldn't be the driving force in decisions. IMHO, it should be reason, backed up with unbiased evidence that guides humans. Nazism never did that, but anti-nazism can, it's just important to support rational over irrational beliefs and do things with reasoning based on definite evidence.
Apr 9, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
...for everyones info....read carefully... you will find answers to some of your questions and strengthin' your beliefs. I wish you all luck on opposing what bothers you....Farrah
AntiFa: Scene-killers on a Rampage
When I first met self-proclaimed anti-fascist skinheads, I was only 12 years old and didn’t know much about the punk & skinhead scene yet. I went to a local area that had an all-ages club and a coffeehouse, both of which had punks and self-proclaimed SHARP skinheads frequenting it. From talking to people and picking up zines & flyers there, I learned about more other local places that had shows, and started getting involved in the local punk (leftist) scene, and along with it, Anti-Racist Action and SHARP.
I had been collecting ska, punk, and oi! records for awhile, and I figured this was a scene where I could go hear this type of music without the risk of the White Power guys from my school beating me up.
I was not trying to get involved with revolutionary politics, stinky hippies, or gangs.
However, this is exactly what I got involved with.
I noticed something was wrong when people calling themselves SHARPs and anti-racist punks were using terms like “Racist” and “Fascist” interchangeably when discussing people they didn’t like and had labeled as “boneheads”.
I also saw many people calling themselves both “SHARP” and “RASH” (Red & Anarchist SkinHeads), as if being against racism means you have to be a radical leftist. RASH, in my opinion has marred the worldwide image and future of SHARP forever by repeatedly linking extremist politics with a simple stance against racism.
Visit almost any antifa messageboard or live show and, you can find the term “anti-fascist” being used as interchangeable with the word “anti-racist”.
I am Conservative and clearly don’t support either of these systems of belief, but I know that Racism is an belief that different “races” of people supposedly exist and are somehow different enough for some to be “better” than others and that “Fascism” is a form of Government in which the State/Military and Corporations control nearly all aspects of public life. They also often lump in “Capitalism” as being part of “Fascism”, even though there is clearly no room for a free enterprise market in a Fascist state. They also find “destroying the audience-performer barrier” as part of fighting fascism, capitalism and racism, which of course only leads to more criminal violence at shows and worse and worse music, further killing the punk scene, and has no effect whatsoever on any supposed Racist, capitalist or Fascist movement.
An elementary schoolchild is taught the difference between Racism and Fascism and Capitalism, and the audience-performer barrier in music has nothing to with any of the three.
Somehow these people forgot all their history classes and believe in some myth that Benito Mussolini has something to do with Slavery or the KKK, and that some company with cheaply made mass-produced products (such as Nike or McDonalds) all are involved with it, and they often throw in the wild idea that Neo-Nazis are, on the majority, homosexual. Soon every gay skinhead was a potential Neo-Nazi, Nazi sympathizer or at least Nazi-fetishist to some of these people.
These people had no idea about most of what they were talking about and were actively indoctrinating (and beating on) youths to think this way as well. They were just as ignorant as these “boneheads”.
Soon, I realized this was not just some place that simply didn’t allow racial violence, but it was a network of old men (usually 30+) trying to have sex with underage girls, anarchist nutcases who want to blow up buildings, communist would-be dictators, homophobes, hard drug heads, and hypocrites who all had all the Skrewdriver records anyway, but would beat up a guy who wore the shirt.
These were People who wanted to censor Art & Music, Who thought they were better than the “boneheads”, but who couldn’t tell me the first thing about the Runes they labeled as “Racist symbols”. These “anti-fascists” were forcibly silencing people who they perceived to not agree with them, and influencing young kids to join up in politicized gangs, buying liquor for underage kids, and all sorts of other sordid behavior.
Communists and anarchists are heavily involved in the antifa movement, and they use terrorist spy -type phone trees to send alerts all over the city within minutes, such as where a certain “bonehead” was located, so they could jump him.
Most of the “boneheads” they beat on were just young confused kids who listened to death metal, or who like the way runes & skulls looked, and sometimes they have even beat up Gay Asatru followers just because of Runes. How this differs from anti-Semites beating on Jews because they don’t understand our religion is hard to define.
Antifa and Spain recently publicly took responsibility for a violent assault on the singer of the well-known punk band the Exploited, who have had gay members, and never recorded a racist or fascist song. They claimed a photo of the vocalist wherein someone else behind him had their arm raised in a Roman salute or “Seig Heil” pose as justification for this assault.
Becoming engulfed in this type of mentality causes these people to become paranoid, seeing a Nazi under every rock, a Fascist behind every tree, and a mortal enemy in anyone who does not agree with or support them.
I realized that I was not at all like any of these people, with their stupid drunken fights, shitty aesthetics, and horribly unstylish dress.
I was defiantly at odds with their whole scene-when I brought up publicly to some of their “organizers” that they were being more “fascist” than those who they labeled “fascist” , and that they didn’t fully even understand what Racism & Fascism were, and that the two don’t necessarily have anything to do with one another, they would change the topic to how I just didn’t understand.
I had many arguments with these people about their ridiculous ideals & tactics, and eventually, they labelled me as a “Fascist”, and have boycotted me and my projects ever since.
I think people should have the right to free speech, no matter how unpopular that speech may be. I do not, however, think people should be allowed to pressure underage children through social means and intoxicants into joining a political fight of any kind. Both Neo-Nazis and AntiFa do exactly this, with nearly identical methods.
If some guy is Proud to be German, why is he less entitled to that belief than someone who is proud to be Gay or Mexican? Either way neither did anything to gain their status, and if they aren’t killing anyone, who cares?
The antifa don’t agree. They do not believe in Freedom.
They believe the opposition to their way of thought MUST be silenced, and by any means necessary.
They actually spy on people’s houses & make threatening phone calls (I have even recieved some).
They use their girlfriends as street warriors to fight other women (anti-sexist, right?).
They intoxicate the youth with drugs and alcohol and influence them into violence.
They say they support the voice of “the people”, yet need to meet in secretive locales, often with passwords needed to enter, such as the back room behind the bookshelf in the Modern Bookstore on South Halsted Street. Yes, the communists actually go behind a bookshelf to a secret hall meet and will probably try to kill me for revealing this.
They make publications that list personal information such as home addresses and phone numbers, and work locations of “the opposition”.
They organize & fund other shady causes under other guises: i.e. money from an “Anti-Fascist Benefit” show may go to buy them some beer, or may actually go to buy supplies for making homemade firebombs, smashing up corporate property, or else legal defense for some Anarchist who is on video-tape hitting a cop with a brick from behind.
They claim to hate ‘Nazis’ and “sexists”, yet constantly work against the Jewish people and the state of Israel and against the rights of women through Islamic-support programs like “Voices in the Wildnerness” and “Solidarity with Hamas”, “Justice in Palestine” groups, etc.
They cannot be trusted, because they believe the individual must be crushed in the strive for the “equality” of the masses, and hurting individual people doesn’t matter in their “Grand Scheme”.
To liberally allow any random person to be publicly labeled a “Nazi” or a “Fascist” (two completely different political ideologies, btw), without much proof, by a prejudiced group with money and scene clout to gain by “smashing more Nazis”, can create a very dangerous reactionary atmosphere where almost anyone can point the finger and shout “Fascist!”, and get someone who they simply do not like for whatever reason, injured or even killed by an angry “well-intentioned” mob.
Yes, people get into fights sometimes, but, for me, skinhead was always about love for the music and the style as a working class way of life, never about political violence. Extreme politics in any culture will always cause divisions and in-fighting.
If the real Neo-Nazis created “antifa” to try to divide and destroy the growing multicultural and non-racist skinhead cult, they couldn’t have done a better job.
Every politically-motivated incident of “Skinhead” violence, be it racist or “anti-racist”, damages the profile of Skinhead culture even more, and the more politically extremist the scene becomes, the less young people will want to even consider being involved in it, and, sadly, it will eventually die.
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Posted 21 minutes ago
Tags: skinhead, antifa, anti-racist, SHARP, hamas, islam, antifascist
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Claiming "HURR DURR I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH POLITICS" is the kind of statement that's killing our fucking world. God damn, I mean, she's even admitting she's only a part this entire "scene" to look cool, followed by admitting she's a conservative. A complete tool.
I stopped reading around here because I can already tell this is bullshit.
If you want to prove a point, please don't copy someones else's writing. Gather first hand experience and come back, then maybe I'll give a shit.
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
And she did not say "because it is cool". she states because of the ideaology of the working class...as this is who she is.... In fact the facts that she does state about the elder men in some of these groups, do prey on young women and do feed drugs and booze to the kids, to keep them from growing their own ideas...
I first hand have expericenced all of the exploits of these type of groups... Thats why it is posted...So young women can have the information and be aware, and maybe gain self insight, ITS OKAY TO WALK AWAY AND NOT PARTICIPATE>
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
CALVIN & HOBBS.......Just a thought....you want a crumbling swastika, not a cross out version...Just to the designer who created the symbol....
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Another good example is the native american people of USA...Not to mention the New Zealand people...They were known for brutally killing the men that came on their shores to try and capture the women and children for a british invasion!
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
I support some of those "radical" ideas you speak of. Please learn what you're talking about before you decide to run your mouth. All I see is a shitty opinion I've heard far too many times by people who haven't a clue what they're arguing about with a giant set of morals commanding them what to do.
She used one group to describe all of them and the ideas of punk culture CAME FROM THESE RADICAL IDEAS SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT. Stop repeating slogans and start thinking for yourself.
Also learn how to spell, you fucking tool. Even the high school drop out I am can come up with a more complete sentence than you.
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
Skinhead_Dave
Apr 22, 2010
Skinhead_Dave
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 22, 2010
Skinhead_Dave
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
And that's precisely why it's fine for me to "bash" the living fuck out of you.
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
Skinhead_Dave
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
SEE? I CAN HAVE A POLITE DISCUSSION WHEN ITS WITH NORMAL PEOPLE!
Apr 22, 2010
Skinhead_Dave
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 22, 2010
Ghetto Gutter Shock.
Apr 22, 2010
FuzzyCommie
Apr 23, 2010
tiller rausch
May 15, 2010
Fuck all
Jul 19, 2010
Joey
Jul 19, 2010
Murphy
Have you all seen this?
Just doing my part to bring light to idiots on the site.
http://www.mohawksrock.com/photo/me-flag-again?context=latest
http://www.mohawksrock.com/photo/me-flag-way-too-serious-of-a?conte...
http://www.mohawksrock.com/photo/me-flag-again-1?context=latest
Jul 6, 2011
Drunken Punk
Jul 7, 2011
C.J !??
Jul 7, 2011
Murphy
Jul 7, 2011
Murphy
Jul 7, 2011
Skully Stitches
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Dec 29, 2011
Nervous Aggression
Very well put about the neo-nazi . Just ignore the little buster and he will go away soon enough .. Also wanna help out some guys trying to get their message heard? check out the band I am in.
http://www.facebook.com/NervousAggression
Dec 31, 2011