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Permalink Reply by H on November 21, 2009 at 2:06am

Yes i think the police state as we know it now should go and we need a completely different way of dealing with people who commit crime. It would take a revolution to do it though and my hope would be they come on our side so that no-one has to die. The prob is it would prob be more likely the army coming over to our side than the police because the army is not as used to confronting its own people(i can only speak for England here) where as the police are employed to directly controll and brutalise its own people everyday. Ofcorse the police are human(i have to remind myself sometimes) with family's and i'm sure evan some individual good qualities, however as a force it is almost impossible to be a "good policeman". The purpose and laws are almost entirely designed to protect the interests of the rich and the government, which is why anything to do with things like money ie robbing banks,stealing from the rich or demostraiting against the government(it is now actualy illegal in England to have a protest within a certain amount of miles,i can't remember how many, outside our own houses of parliment) are taken seriously with huge punishment whereas men rapeing,beating and evan murdering woman are hardly evan convicted. A good example of this hipocrasy is a kind of personal one. When i was 16 and at college i got allocated a youth worker trained to deal with and help vunerable young people through college, this encluded counceling sessions and an entirely all female clientel. The man i got was sexualy inapropriate with me and had inapropriate pics of students, i was strong enuff to complain about it before anything futher happend. The college didn't do anything however and i ended up having to leave, he continued to work with vunerable young girls. I need to mention also that my mums friend new this man and didn't believe me either. Then only the other day i got a letter through the post from this mans wife(I'm nearly 25) i couldn't beleive it she got my address from his friend who new my mother. Anyway she wanted my help because she has a daughter with him and recently found images of extreme child rape on his computer and explicate pics of himself that he was sending to his students. When she confronted him he admitted it and that not only was he particualy into watching father daughter rape of children on the computer he had purposly used the trust of his job to sexually abuse around 40 girls over the last 10 years. She had direct evidence(on his computer&phone)and a recorded confession- what did the police say? "We can't do anything". She had to fight fight fight&in the end he was finaly arrested only to be let off by the judge saying it wasn't serious, he's not dangerous and the girl whitnesses werent "ligitimate". So he now has the right to have his daughter unsupervised overnight AND continue to do a job that is supposed to be "helping" vunerable young girls-how many more lives is he going to ruin i wonder. I contacted her back and have told her i would try to help whatever way i could. The mutual friend didn't evan apolagise to my mum for not believing me by the way. Anywho when it comes to people like my mum,me and many others who stand up against things like our illegal wars/massacres and our governments disgusting right wing policies that damage us and the whole world the police want to do something then. They smashed my mum over the head with a baton and punched her in the back when she already sufferd with a back disorder. Ever since it has got worse crippling her to be bed bound sometimes for months with only me and my sister to take care of her. We have seen two lawers and they both said we would't stand a chance in court. She now cannot go to the major demos up london incase they leave her in a wheelchair for life. They havnt won though she is still politicaly active organising local events and was on the news earlier this year with her and a friend(who's brother was murderd in police cell-this is another case i will tell you about another time-RIP Sean Riggs we love you) who have organised a new campaign against police violence. Earlier this year the police also murderd a man called Ian Tomlinson at a world leader confrence demo in central London, he wasn't evan part of the demo, but they thought he was. It was caught on camera and still they have got away with it. Something has to be done they need to be saved from themselves and for everyone elses safety. The governments would't be able to do what they do without them. I have many more stories i'd like to share encluding one of the huge struggles we had with the police in the 70's and 80's in the noth of England with the great minnors strike that all my family were involved in,being that they were minnors! And a very interesting encounter i had with being taught by a policeman who ended up helping me! If anyone is interested that is! Please excuse my bad spelling and grammar, i hope you can understand and get the main points. would love to hear of other poeples stories and struggles especially from other countries and any ideas of what to do.
Hannah Grace

Permalink Reply by cadell on December 2, 2009 at 4:29am

become a vigulanti! go round and beat up th criminals and cops not doing a proper job youself. we can keep the streets clean in our way

Permalink Reply by Eric on December 2, 2009 at 9:02am

I do agree with that but then the police hunt you for doing good.

Permalink Reply by cadell on December 3, 2009 at 1:33am

sad but true aye. its such a load of bullshit

Permalink Reply by Paradox on December 10, 2009 at 6:05pm

No, vigilante is not the way to go. Who are we to decide what is right and wrong? If you would consider it to be acceptable to beat the shit out of someone for being a Nazi, for beating their wife, rape, or anything else then how is that in any manner different than when the cope beat people up for looking/acting different? No, the police serve a useful purpose; there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of a police force as in theory it enforces the ideals and morals of the combined and cooperative community. What is fucked up, however, is the amount of corruption that exists within the police force and the justice system. No one person has the right to enforce any code of ethics or morality; I think that it is all a load of bullshit anyway. And no, that is not hypocritical as I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone; I am merely sharing it.

Permalink Reply by cadell on December 11, 2009 at 1:34am

true i guess if e did that we'd just be as bad as them
but whatelse is there to do? you cant just let shit happen like this

Permalink Reply by Eric on December 11, 2009 at 11:04am

Violence is never the answer but that does not apply to them I guess? > /body>

Permalink Reply by cadell on December 13, 2009 at 1:33am

its true that violence is not a good answer but its often the one most people use. which is unfortunate for people like you and me coz of our anti agressive ways.

Permalink Reply by Paradox on December 11, 2009 at 4:42pm

As I said, a regulated and controlled police force is the answer. The problem is not that we have police; it is a fact that there are certain rules that, as a society, we must all live by in order to keep everything running smoothly. What we need is to make sure that cops are doing their jobs, to have better screening when hiring people for the profession, and to have some major reform in the justice system.

Permalink Reply by Eric on December 11, 2009 at 5:50pm

By all means, I am not against order and especially with all the free retards and hooligans around today some force must be present, as said earlier its the corruption and abuse that puts them in a negative sight. And THAT is like when you have a rotten apple in a bag full with good apples, it will rot them.