never liked em, never will. in my eyes the sex pistols were just a 70's boy band. they were put together to make money for some dude. and the ramones... wtf did they do to get the popularity they have? neither of the bands started punk. no one knows who started punk, i dont give a fuck who "started punk" but as far as i'm concerned... it started way before the ramones and sex pistols even thought about playing it.